SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC07 March 2018 - Winners announced

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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC07 March 2018 - Voting until 01-04-2018 11:59pm GMT+2/CEST

Post by donkey tugger » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:45 pm

FixInTheMix wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:32 pm


technical:
everything sounds clear in the mix although I would´ve gone with a less bright acoustic guitar for the strumed parts, letting a little bit more of mids through, I like the reverse reverb and sounds used, also the glitch fx, I think the use of the filter and/or distortion for the vocals is clever but I would´ve used a more extreme setting, in here it sounds like it´s only been recorded with a bad microphone.


Good suggestions both I think. It's a new-ish acoustic and I'm still finding my way with it a bit in terms of recording etc. Listening back you're spot on about the verse (especially) vocal as well - I used the Code Red eq for a bit of grit, but it can be pushed much further!

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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC07 March 2018 - Voting until 01-04-2018 11:59pm GMT+2/CEST

Post by Nige » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:23 pm

FixInTheMix wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:32 pm


technical:
the distortion/overdrive on the vocals just ruins it for me it just sounds bad and it´s a damn shame because everything else sound great, like digital clipping, maybe this is a rendering issue, a limiter running too hot maybe? It doesn´t sound pleasing at all, I have no problem with using distortion on vocals but as I said this sounds like a mistake and not an actual aesthetic decision. Besides that I would´ve lowered the shakers a bit.
After analizing the loudness of the track it´s around -4.7LUFS integrated, the waveform is just extremely crushed so I think it comes from the limiter you used.

No one told me this was a mixing competition, interesting.

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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC07 March 2018 - Voting until 01-04-2018 11:59pm GMT+2/CEST

Post by FixInTheMix » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:28 pm

Nige wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:23 pm
No one told me this was a mixing competition, interesting.
No need to be rude, it´s not a mixing competition but you can´t expect me to not take in consideration the fact that the vocals sound like they are clipping, also according to the rules Technical Objectivity is one of the three points to focus on during feedback
Technical Objectivity (30%): how great was the production as a whole? Is there something that you see problematic in the mix (mix techniques, mastering, etc)? What would you do different (give examples)? If you're skilled in technical analysis, maybe back that up with values (Frequency Range, Loudness Values, Maximum Peak, etc)
Even if this issue didn´t exist I ´d have still kept the final score the same (although a hard choice) I think kc23 song was a little bit more creative.

I hope you are not mad at me for giving my honest opinion.

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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC07 March 2018 - Voting until 01-04-2018 11:59pm GMT+2/CEST

Post by Nige » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:46 pm

FixInTheMix wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:28 pm
Nige wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:23 pm
No one told me this was a mixing competition, interesting.
No need to be rude, it´s not a mixing competition but you can´t expect me to not take in consideration the fact that the vocals sound like they are clipping, also according to the rules Technical Objectivity is one of the three points to focus on during feedback
Technical Objectivity (30%): how great was the production as a whole? Is there something that you see problematic in the mix (mix techniques, mastering, etc)? What would you do different (give examples)? If you're skilled in technical analysis, maybe back that up with values (Frequency Range, Loudness Values, Maximum Peak, etc)
Even if this issue didn´t exist I ´d have still kept the final score the same (although a hard choice) I think kc23 song was a little bit more creative.

I hope you are not mad at me for giving my honest opinion.
I'm a big boy and I welcome criticism, as well as honest opinions.
Having said that, here's a crazy little tip you might want to bear in mind when commenting in a "songwriting competition",is to maybe...I dunno... comment on err "the songwriting"? i.e arrangement, melody, lyrics, harmony's, performance, overall vibe.
Your subjective opinions regarding what you didn't like about the mix are frankly worthless when they constitute 90% of your post. The only constructive piece of feedback I took away from your criticism was in regards to the off-key vocals which were run through an autotune in Nectar and ultimately made them worse in many places.
You think I was rude? I was just giving an honest opinion. I hope you're not mad.

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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC07 March 2018 - Voting until 01-04-2018 11:59pm GMT+2/CEST

Post by FixInTheMix » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:15 am

Nige wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:46 pm
I'm a big boy and I welcome criticism, as well as honest opinions.
Having said that, here's a crazy little tip you might want to bear in mind when commenting in a "songwriting competition",is to maybe...I dunno... comment on err "the songwriting"? i.e arrangement, melody, lyrics, harmony's, performance, overall vibe.
Your subjective opinions regarding what you didn't like about the mix are frankly worthless when they constitute 90% of your post. The only constructive piece of feedback I took away from your criticism was in regards to the off-key vocals which were run through an autotune in Nectar and ultimately made them worse in many places.
You could have said this in the first place in an educated manner instead of going with sarcasm. I´ll admit I was lacking more songwriting details in your song simply because I didn´t found out anything else that I considered worth mentioning.
I didn´t have anything else to say besides: "I like the melody, I like the harmony, etc" which seems pointless to me.

If the only constructive feedback you got from me was the off key vocals then you didn´t even bother reading what I said, the way a song sounds besides the fundamental elements of music is important too.

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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC07 March 2018 - Voting until 01-04-2018 11:59pm GMT+2/CEST

Post by Nige » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:23 am

FixInTheMix wrote:
Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:15 am
Nige wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:46 pm
I'm a big boy and I welcome criticism, as well as honest opinions.
Having said that, here's a crazy little tip you might want to bear in mind when commenting in a "songwriting competition",is to maybe...I dunno... comment on err "the songwriting"? i.e arrangement, melody, lyrics, harmony's, performance, overall vibe.
Your subjective opinions regarding what you didn't like about the mix are frankly worthless when they constitute 90% of your post. The only constructive piece of feedback I took away from your criticism was in regards to the off-key vocals which were run through an autotune in Nectar and ultimately made them worse in many places.
You could have said this in the first place in an educated manner instead of going with sarcasm. I´ll admit I was lacking more songwriting details in your song simply because I didn´t found out anything else that I considered worth mentioning.
I didn´t have anything else to say besides: "I like the melody, I like the harmony, etc" which seems pointless to me.

If the only constructive feedback you got from me was the off key vocals then you didn´t even bother reading what I said, the way a song sounds besides the fundamental elements of music is important too.
Your lazy, subjective mix appraisal, deserved all the sarcasm I could muster. Try writing an educated songwriting critique and you might have the favour returned.

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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC07 March 2018 - Voting until 01-04-2018 11:59pm GMT+2/CEST

Post by FixInTheMix » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:39 am

Nige wrote:
Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:23 am
FixInTheMix wrote:
Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:15 am
Nige wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:46 pm
I'm a big boy and I welcome criticism, as well as honest opinions.
Having said that, here's a crazy little tip you might want to bear in mind when commenting in a "songwriting competition",is to maybe...I dunno... comment on err "the songwriting"? i.e arrangement, melody, lyrics, harmony's, performance, overall vibe.
Your subjective opinions regarding what you didn't like about the mix are frankly worthless when they constitute 90% of your post. The only constructive piece of feedback I took away from your criticism was in regards to the off-key vocals which were run through an autotune in Nectar and ultimately made them worse in many places.
You could have said this in the first place in an educated manner instead of going with sarcasm. I´ll admit I was lacking more songwriting details in your song simply because I didn´t found out anything else that I considered worth mentioning.
I didn´t have anything else to say besides: "I like the melody, I like the harmony, etc" which seems pointless to me.

If the only constructive feedback you got from me was the off key vocals then you didn´t even bother reading what I said, the way a song sounds besides the fundamental elements of music is important too.
Your lazy, subjective mix appraisal, deserved all the sarcasm I could muster. Try writing an educated songwriting critique and you might have the favour returned.
1- The fact that your mix sounds like clipping and is overcompressed is not a subjective opinion though, you can easily measure it.

2- Please educate me, master of songwriting critique knowledge :hail:

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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC07 March 2018 - Voting until 01-04-2018 11:59pm GMT+2/CEST

Post by Nige » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:10 am

1- The fact that your mix sounds like clipping and is overcompressed is not a subjective opinion though, you can easily measure it.
Well obviously that's the treatment that was intended, hence the reason you're hearing it that way. So any opinion you *may* or *may not* have in regards to what you think *is* or *isn't* wrong is absolutely, 100% subjective. What do I care what a guy who unironically writes lounge music thinks about my production. Of course you're entitled to an opinion, and it's great that you shared it, but it means very little to me.
2- Please educate me, master of songwriting critique knowledge :hail:

You've got it all wrong. You don't have to be a "master of songwriting critique" to offer basic opinions on various aspects of a composition, as opposed to spending 90% of a post, talking about what you didn't like about someone's mix. It's all pretty much common sense really, as any songwriter worth his salt would surely understand.

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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC07 March 2018 - Voting until 01-04-2018 11:59pm GMT+2/CEST

Post by Mister Fox » Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:21 am

I don't want a repeat of proliferation like with SWC01... Yes, the rules talk about "technical feedback", but the rules also state "it is advised to aim for a reasonable loudness". However - I encourage both of you to take a step back, relax, and then try again with a calm and collective approach.


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You do not want me to step in!

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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC07 March 2018 - Voting until 01-04-2018 11:59pm GMT+2/CEST

Post by Beeble » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:10 pm

holy crap! I thought the composing, arranging, lyrics and choice of Instruments/harmonics and sounds would be the main part of a song competition!?
I thougt at least a 2 channel tape recorder should be enough to present a song composing.

Now @FixInTheMix shows up that a loud mix and some clippings counts more than the song itself. :headscratch:
Maybe if this is the way to evaluate a composition this should be renamend in "production contest"

Of course the mixing part should be worth a word, but with less prority than @FixInTheMix did.
In case of two or more songs I like most, I would have a closer look on the mixing aspect.
The Rule says: Production Feedback (55%); Technical Objectivity (30%) and Neutral to Subjective commentary (15%)

I feel a bit "mustained" about your argumentation @FixInTheMix.
all the gear, no idea.

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