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MIX CHALLENGE - MC102 February 2025 - Winners announced

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Gertius
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Re: MIX CHALLENGE - MC102 February 2025 - Winners announced

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Thanks @Edling for picking my mix for third place!
This is the first time I made it onto the winners podium and I am elated to say the least :hyper:

Congratulations to @BenjiRage and @filipandrei for their well deserved wins!

As my price I´d like to pick the Plugin DeVerberate from Acon Digital.

Thanks @Mister Fox!
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Re: MIX CHALLENGE - MC102 February 2025 - Winners announced

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Congrats to the Winners! :clap:

Damn :face:

I forgot to dither down to 24 Bit :hihi:
White Punk OD
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Re: MIX CHALLENGE - MC102 February 2025 - Winners announced

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Big congrats to the winners!
Two of them were my picks also, for delivering anticipated good results in this context.
Very nice tournament and song material.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/19ldUyG ... drive_link

This is my voluntary second version. Sorry that I hadn't more time for the initial mix.

Some techniques were added, like side-chain by voc on the instrumental bus, it works like the Trackspacer.
Plz ask if interested in details.

I felt different about most other mixes, that they were technically good, but I would prefer more drama and a tighter flow in the vocals.
It should not become too bright but still modern. Also the snare sound should be more emo with some gated tail.
So that's what I tried to make happen.

I hope it can add to the discussion another aspect, and that some comrades still are listening.
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Re: MIX CHALLENGE - MC102 February 2025 - Winners announced

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White Punk OD wrote:
Tue Mar 25, 2025 06:16 CET
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19ldUyG ... drive_link

This is my voluntary second version. Sorry that I hadn't more time for the initial mix.

Some techniques were added, like side-chain by voc on the instrumental bus, it works like the Trackspacer.
Plz ask if interested in details.

I felt different about most other mixes, that they were technically good, but I would prefer more drama and a tighter flow in the vocals.
It should not become too bright but still modern. Also the snare sound should be more emo with some gated tail.
So that's what I tried to make happen.

I hope it can add to the discussion another aspect, and that some comrades still are listening.
Hi there White Punk

I've had a good listen to your original and revised mixes today. Your V2 is a definite improvement, nice job! The stand outs to me were the increased vocal clarity and attack of the drums, great work with these elements. I also really like the level and audibility of the keys and strings that you have.

I think you could also make a few other "quick wins" to the V2, which would improve it further:

• The cymbals really need to be a louder, they're very quiet and the song is missing the musical punctuation that they bring
• I'd increase high-mid of the chorus guitars (around 2-3khz maybe?) as well as a bit of extra volume to help them cut through better and increase the energy level
• The backing vocals have a lovely air to them, but I think they would benefit from some additional compression to make the level more consistent as they seem to disappear in a few places (eg: at 0:52 on the word "need")
• The toms could do with some EQ tweaks as they have lots of low end, which I can hear on my main monitors, but they're lacking in upper mids so I struggle to hear them on small speakers

Overall though, a great improvement over your first mix. Also, I'd be very interested in hearing the details of your side-chain on the instrumental bus.

Best regards,

Benji
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Re: MIX CHALLENGE - MC102 February 2025 - Winners announced

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Thanks so much @BenjiRage, for looking into my mix.
I agree to your comments, experimenting now a bit on that.

* The overhead track is not quite enough for controlling the cymbals (snare sound will change!), I will have to automate the hits that I really need. Too lazy for now.
The ride cymbal is a bit too noisy and masks a lot of other stuff, if I won't automate, though the mpressor helps a lot when inserted.
It presses down the snare a little bit, while the attack of the cymbals can easily come a bit slower.
But it is difficult für the snare to keep its achieved internal balances, while tweaking the cymbals this way.
The question is, how far we can have the voice carry the whole song and structure, and need not do too much around it.
* Chorus guitar - a bit of a style question, I kept it more on the 80ies electronic side, but will try to make the git brighter.
* Backing vocals use the comp in the Lindell 50 already, now switching ratio from 4 to 6. Not sure if we should fill every gap, or leave in some human imperfection. The nice air band was delivered by SPL Vitalizer.
* Toms had no EQ at all, only gate, hipass, Airwindows "Point!", "epicPLATE". Doing a TinyQ. Important to cut 400Hz.

Sidechain tech:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... drive_link
I'm using TDR Nova GE as the workhorse, gives me certain options that Trackspacer doesn't have.
Tracktion allowed me to wire up complex racks.
This one has 3 sidechain inputs each with meter and fader. I just route it into a track with inserting the same rack by copypaste, 3 times. It keeps track of its identity and would not create 3 different instances but one interconnected.
The inputs are: 1. lead vocal bus, 2. bg vocal bus, and ... 3. snare! (I make the workhorse timings faster for the higher frequencies and it works)
The instrumental bus has all guitars and keyboards. So I can make these loud enough, and the Nova will attenuate the corresponding main frequencies before they would be masking the vocals.

When the preset is ready, the workflow is quite fast. Insert the rack once for the target bus, and 3 times for the 3 sidechain sources.
Set the sidechain inserts to dry signal only.
Then, adjust the sidechain faders and watch the Nova display, and if required, tweak the 6 frequency bands (depending on the actual vocal range and singing style).
On a standard DAW you would create a bus-A mono track, send its output to the sidechain-IN of the Nova or a spectral compressor (that sits on the instrument stereo bus-B), and create an AUX send to this bus-A from every track you want to be a sidechain source.

Special hint: Lead vocal has Tube Saturator Vintage from Wave Arts, it was free and is one of the very best tube emulators that I know.
(another one would be Phil's Cascade, but behaves differently and is very complex)
The other quality animal is DeEdger (available in the TDR family), it removes a lot of harshness from the vocal.

I also added a screen shot from a brickwall limiter, with this setting it gets super loud.

It is all rendered 48k, then resampled.

Greetings, cu,
if there is interest I can upload, or PM.
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MIX CHALLENGE - MC102 February 2025 - Winners announced

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:arrow_right: Just a quick update:

All license requests have been addressed.

I'm pretty sure that @Edling still works on more feedback. Please give him some more time - 114 entries was a lot of content to work through.

And to those that give feedback to each other, please keep it up.


Mix Challenge 103 is now live. Have fun!
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Re: MIX CHALLENGE - MC102 February 2025 - Winners announced

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Congratulations to everyone who won!
unfortunately I was late with adding the track in round 2.
Great mixes! :clap:
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