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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC088 December 2024 - Voting until 03-JAN-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 15:49 CET
by Elcubano
Happy new year!
Sorry for the late, I caught the flu and spent the week in bed...

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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC088 December 2024 - Voting until 03-JAN-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 21:02 CET
by ThomC
Happy new year everyone!

I've really enjoyed this challenge and I'm now going to listen to all the tracks :)
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SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC088 December 2024 - Voting until 03-JAN-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 21:11 CET
by Mister Fox
I still need your "Top 5" vote and 2-3 sentences on self reflection, @ThomC.

Can you please edit that into your last post / sort that out by the time the deadline has been reached?
This is the only criteria to be disqualified by not participating in that mechanic.

Thank you.

Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC088 December 2024 - Voting until 03-JAN-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 21:21 CET
by ThomC
Mister Fox wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2025 21:11 CET
I still need your "Top 5" vote and 2-3 sentences on self reflection, @ThomC.

Can you please edit that into your last post / sort that out by the time the deadline has been reached?
This is the only criteria to be disqualified by not participating in that mechanic.

Thank you.
I'm updating my post as I go Mr Fox :), I prefer proceeding that way just in case I lose the post (I could've saved it as a draft mind you). My self-reflection will be there in a minute. Thank you!

Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC088 December 2024 - Voting until 03-JAN-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 21:29 CET
by ThomC
Mister Fox wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2025 21:11 CET
I still need your "Top 5" vote and 2-3 sentences on self reflection, @ThomC.

Can you please edit that into your last post / sort that out by the time the deadline has been reached?
This is the only criteria to be disqualified by not participating in that mechanic.

Thank you.
All done on my end now! Thanks again for this great challenge and thanks to everyone for your words and taking part! :)

SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC088 December 2024 - results in preparation

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 02:27 CET
by Mister Fox
It's the 04th January 2025, 2:25 (UTC+1/CET) - the Voting Period has officially ended.

All participants have submitted final feedback, we therefore have 0 disqualification.


Please no more changes to your feedback from this point forward.
I will post the results within 3-4 workdays. (this is not an automated process)


Please have an eye on this thread :educate:

SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC088 December 2024 - Winners announced

Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 01:38 CET
by Mister Fox
Ladies and Gentlemen, here are the results of Songwriting Competition 088

:arrow_right: The winners podium consists of:
  1. @ThomC (44 pts)
  2. @Elcubano (34 pts)
  3. @Paramnesia (34 pts)

Apologies for the waiting time, this is not an automated process.

<4 participant rule is not in use (staff comments and votes, my vote would count as bonus)
We have 0 disqualifications (due to lack of feedback / a final vote)
We have 1 withdrawn entry (but counts as submission within the deadline, yet couldn't be voted for)
We have several users still in the game that tied
  • The following ties on the chart happened due to various reasons
    • Elcubano -- participation vote is 23pts -- the tie with Paramnesia resulted due to losing out on bonus points (resulting in 34pts)
    • Paramnesia -- participation vote is 22pts -- the participant has all bonus points otherwise (resulting in 34pts)
  • no (more) users that tied
"Sole (License) Winner" rule does not apply - 3-position Winners Podium (>= 9 participants prior to the deadline)


STATISTICS SHEET:
Overview of Submissions (PDF - updated: 07-JAN-2025, full sheet)

 ! Bonus Info
Short info:
I am using Wavelab 10 for batch analysis, then I manually port the CSV export to a Microsoft Excel/Open Office Calc sheet with custom layout (this is not an automated process).

As pointed out in this post from SWC047 / July 2021, Wavelab has different tolerances for dBTP max analysis compared to tools like iZotope RX, Youlean Loudness Meter, NUGEN Audio VisLM, etc. To find a common ground, I've implemented "allowed tolerances" (just like with the Mix Challenge). These are based upon allowed offsets mentioned in the technical papers for EBU R128 and ITU-R BS.1770-4. Since no measurement tool is the same, to be on the save side, please export at -14,1 LUFS ILk max, and -1,1 dBTP max.

As usual, I did list/analyze alternative releases (MP3s and FLAC). If you've submitted your entry in multiple file formats, the statistic sheet will focus on the uncompressed material first (WAV), then FLAC, then MP3. The higher the quality, the less possible loss on bonus points for "Loudness Specs" due to offsets introduced by a used CODEC. In this case, FLAC and MP3 are merely for information purposes.



Here are the results as chart in image form:
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Thank you so much for your participation. :clap:

 ⚠ Moderation Message from Mister Fox  
INFORMATION:
As of January 2023, I am adapting the same voting mechanic as most other International Songwriting Competitions utilize. Nearly all of these games use(d) a 01 to 05 points system (top 5 entries) in some shape or form. The main difference to our game: these ones don't offer bonus points or penalty points, neither are they tiered (depending on the participant amount). I hope to get that properly sorted out in form of an extensive Rule Book update in the foreseeable future (serious apologies for the waiting time - there are only so many hours in the day).


:arrow_right: Breaking up a tie:

There was no unbreakable tie that needed to be addressed. The fall-back mechanics were used.


:arrow_right: An explanation on the bonus points and penalty points:
  • Due to exceeding the loudness specs, the following users could not acquire all 4pts bonus -- @DavidB exceeded the maximum signal strength of -1,00 dBTP and maximum loudness of -14 LUFS ILk
  • I sadly had to withdraw 1pts bonus from @Elcubano for not using the filename template properly. Please check your white spaces and double-underscores in the future. In case of SoundCloud, you can name your songs different compared to the filename. The entry by @DavidB was technically not possible to download - I couldn't check if the filename template was used.
  • I sadly also had to withdraw 1pts bonus (from 5pts) from @Vanilla Puff and @DavidB for not providing more documentation to the production. Usually, I withdraw 2pts in this case - however, there was at least "some information". Please note - you do not need to provide a list of every tool you used, just the instruments, giving credits for non royalty free material from sample CDs, and full credits of possible collaborators (e.g. a guest singer, or a guest musician). Please see post #002 again.
  • Bonus Info for @Vanilla Puff and @Ike H-mope - the self-reflection was seeded into the global feedback. While this is an interesting approach, maybe have that as separate section in teh future.

I hope you all had fun and learned something new in the process. Please keep it up, also with interacting during the submission part of the game.

To close out the year, we had 9,92 participants on avg for 2024 (compared to 10,92 participants on avg for 2023). I am really hoping for 15 participants on average throughout 2025. The more participants the better, which only adds to the learning aspect of our small community.


See you folks in the next game. :headphones:


:arrow_right: License selection:

We will now perform with the usual. Selecting of licenses is handled in public. In order of the winners podium (top spot to lowest), and only if you want to, please select one license/company out of the pool and mention it in this thread, then (important) please get in touch with me (via PM) with your full name, email address and your license selection.

As usual - you're not forced to pick up anything. You can pass and therefore offer more to select for the next person in line (if there is a spot existing / not available for "sole winner" mechanic). Just let all participants/winners/the staff know in a timely manner (within 5 days of this post). Once one company has been selected, it's out of the pool for the next person on the podium.

Since SWC088 has a 3-position Winner's Podium, we can also continue to test a possible new game mechanic that offers "low placed participants" a chance to pick up a bonus license - if somebody from the Winners Podium passes on a selection. You can read more about this in SWC083 - post #067. The follow-up post will have a summary to that concept.




I re-open the field for talking some more about each others' productions. If things drift a bit too off-topic, please use the General Gossip thread, or Discord.



See you in in the next challenge!



Songwriting Competition 089 (January 2025 - "Community Scramble") is still in full swing. There are currently two (number: 2) entries, waiting for some constructive feedback.

Please have a look. :educate:



EDIT: 08-JAN-2025 1:35 UTC+1/CET - initial post.

SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC088 December 2024 - Winners announced

Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 01:45 CET
by Mister Fox
:information_source: A continuation of the "Passing on Bonus Licenses" mechanic...

We've been testing this mechanic since SWC083. So far, this concept has been taken well. However, I think we can still fine-tune some things to make it more interesting and fair for everyone. One of the ideas was to "pass on to the 'runner ups' first". Great thinking, yet with a small participation amount this can also feel less fair to the lowest spots. And sometimes, a bonus license can be the right boost to elevate a production.

I would like to propose the following:

 ⚠ Moderation Message from Mister Fox  
INFORMATION:

Starting with SWC083 - and depending on how many bonus licenses have been picked - I am now putting "passed on" license selections back into the pool and make a possible selection available for "low positioned participants".


:arrow_right: Mechanic Idea:
  • This mechanic will be available with a 3-position (or higher) Winners Podium.
  • This mechanic will now be tiered
    • Tier 01 (9 to 15 participants) - the Winners Podium has 3 positions. Each passed on license will be added into a drawing pool (remaining participants), and additional winners will be selected at random
    • Tier 02 (16 participants or more) - the Winners Podium will change from 3 to 5 positions. Each passed on license will be offered to up-to two (number: 2) "runner-ups" (position 6 and 7). Should these participants also pass on selecting something, then this passed on license will be added into a drawing pool (remaining participants), and additional winners will be selected at random.
  • The draw is carried out using a tool such as the "Wheel of Names". Each participant is placed 5 times on the wheel and the wheel is spun 5 times. The winner of the bonus license is determined on the last spin.
  • Once the "Podium" decided which route to go, participants in lower positions can decide upfront if they want to "pass on" a license. If this has been made clear before a draw is being done, this particular participant will not be added to the "wheel".
  • if a randomly drawn participant also does not want to pick up a license, the "passed on" license will not be put back into the drawing pool (the offer can only be passed on once). This is to prevent an endless "draw", as this is an additional courtesy.
Fine-tuning to this particular idea can still happen with future games.

We're all here to learn, grow from the experience, and spread positivity...

This is the final month of this experiment. I would love to get some additional feedback on this. If this mechanic is met with interest, it could become a regular implementation for the Songwriting Competition (plus the Rule Book, which is long overdue for an overhaul).

Thank you. :educate:

Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC088 December 2024 - Winners announced

Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 01:54 CET
by ThomC
Thank you for your votes everyone, I really enjoyed this one and didn't know I was going to take part until the very last moment, so I guess it's a nice lesson and reminder that, it's not over until it's over.

I loved your compositions too and the vote was difficult for me this time. I can't wait to see what's in store for the next one (I've started working with those samples... Nice!)

Mr Fox, I'll choose Hollow Sun's Music Laboratory Machines - The Suite I if that's ok. Thanks again for doing this and for your time! I'll be sending you a DM in a moment. Cheers!