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SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC086 October 2024 - Voting until 01-NOV-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 07:24 CEST
by Mister Fox
I'm quickly stepping in, before things go a bit haywire (even more than already).


:arrow_right: General Thread Interaction:

Quoting a post is good and fine, but please keep it to the essentials. As in... one paragraph, or one sentence, or whatever fits the purpose. I am aware that this phpbb is not like your typical modern chat system or social media. Quoting a 500 words post to just answer with one sentence can get chaotic really quick and hard to read.



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If you're new to the game, or haven't participated in quite a while, please take a look at the last three games ( SWC085, SWC084, SWC083) how this usually works.

Please post your feedback collected in one post, same goes for your vote. This has been all explained in detail with the preparation and statistics post above (and also the Rule Book).

You can still have a regular conversation in between the final feedback/vote posts -- but please, be reasonable.


Thank you. :educate:

Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC086 October 2024 - Submissions until 24-OCT-2024 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 09:42 CEST
by R0boooo
OlliH wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 00:20 CEST
R0boooo wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2024 10:01 CEST
Hello all,
just a few days left till the end of SWC086. Ive actually completed 5 of these and have never uploaded and submitted my ideas. Why, Im not sure, lol. Ive also completed this one and have been tweaking for over a week now. Guess im just a little scared of the comments or the issues I may be overlooking.
Been there, done that. I know exactly what you're talking about. On that basis, I have a feeling that there is a genuine artist inside of you that you are protecting too much. Don't starve him/her, just set him free and let him fly. Allow him to hear genuine comments from his peer group. He is sure to receive praise, criticism, encouragement and ideas for next steps. I'm sure the artist within you will later reward you handsomely if you allow him that vital nourishment.
Wow, Thank you, I appreciate that and except it. This is my 1st time posting so I think I need to pay more attention to the Time difference. I was looking at my time not thinking this may be going out of the country for submissions. Thanks for the kind words and words to live and compose by...

Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC086 October 2024 - Submissions until 24-OCT-2024 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:05 CEST
by Mellow Browne
Ike H-mope wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2024 21:03 CEST
Mellow Browne wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2024 09:03 CEST
I edited my post with more information.
Ike H-mope wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 18:07 CEST
Nice track. Liked the feel, sounds, groove.

I like the drum programming, but I'd either really lean into the artificial drum thing by producing it in a way that makes it clear it's an intentional part of the sound, or if it's supposed to sound "real", then I think you need to find a better library or produce it in a more"live" manner.

Regardless, nice track.
Thanks for your feedback but I'm not sure if I understand you correctly.
Well, we all know this is just people with their opinions, and want to emphasize I like the drum programming/"playing". But, I find that sonically it's almost distracting from the track. If in my head I was writing this with "real acoustic" drums in my, I would at least eq them or something to make them support instead of stand out. Minimally tone-down the cymbals. If I wrote it with an electronic "drum machine" as my model, then I would choose one that has more of an obvious "this is a drum machine" vibe, something a little more obviously in the box.

Hope that makes sense?
Thanks. I think I understand now what you mean. Yes, all drum samples sound very "natural" like a real drum kit, however the programming is not so realistic at times. In hip hop, Rnb and neo soul music it is very common to mix these two things/elements, realistic drum sounds and for example MPC drum programming or some sort of sequencer. Listen to J Dilla and other famous producers, their influence is huge when it comes to drums in hip hop in general, they also influenced a lot of drummers (me included). You have in most cases (not so much in Lo-Fi jazzy hip hop) very prominent drums.

But there is also Gospel and Neo soul music like D'Angelo or more hip hop oriented sound like The Roots and they use real drummers with real acoustic sets which gives a slight different flavour.

I just wanted to add that "modern" sound to it because I think sampling is a very "classical" thing in hip hop which has a retro/old school vibe. This is the thing I enjoy so much about neo Soul music, it's the blend between old and new, some beats are really timeless (like in other genres of course).

Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC086 October 2024 - Voting until 01-NOV-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:55 CEST
by OlliH
This month all the submissions were very good, and they were completely different from each other. It wasn’t easy task to choose top five. Had I done it after of before my coffee moment, the results could have been totally different.

It’s also pleasure to notice that talent is much higher nowadays than what it was some years ago when I was more active. It also makes me think ”who am I to comment these songs?” As all of you have reached a level that I won’t ever reach. But, as most of the songs in the world are made to be listened by normal people, I guess there’s some point to be able to hear subjective comments from some of them. But don’t take these comments too seriously. I wasn’t systematic, I just listened to your songs couple of times in a different days, and I let the thoughts wander freely to the paper. I didn’t read your explanations and I didn’t check if there was any discussions about your songs. So I may be repeating issues that some other have already taken up.

Nowadays it’s much more pleasant to write comments than a couple of years ago. I like the fact that one doesn’t have to rank a position to each and every song. It’s pleasure to pick 5 top places, but it was painful to define who’s going to be the last. This current system is nice.


Chasey24, Harvest Sunset
Excellent opening. I like that very much. Then comes something even better, but it happens to be very similar to the main hook and guitar line from Sting’s ”Fields of Cold”.
But when I listen to your work in other parts, its genre slides loosely and interestingly from one genre to another. In addition, you seem to have made some great and bold key modulations. In other words, you clearly know your stuff and you know how to dive deep into the sources of music. Furthermore, you have an ability develop different musical ideas wonderfully into your own coherent work. So, it's a shame that you accidentally happened to pick up the same string of notes to be the main hook of song that Sting had previously made into a mega-hit.

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Crispy, Flexing The Harvest
(This is a copy-paste of my previous comment.)
You must have been in your previous life Frank Farian.
Main riff is very cool.
All the variations of the main theme work very nicely.
Although I cannot show any exact weak point but somehow around 2/3 my attention seems to drop a little. I guess the final climax is missing. Maybe the slow part around 2:40 could bring a bigger change and clear new motif (now it's more like a moment of rest) and then explode into final chorus with a new drum groove. And to make it a big hit you may need a couple of Cariban ladies to do the singing part and dancing.
But overall: very well done. You surely have ear and talent for this genre.

(Some bonus points for the best explanation to connect the song and its unrelated name together.)

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Elcubano, season cycle
This is skilfully done composition for two guitars. You manage to describe how nature wakens up and blossoms. I like it.
Maybe the slow and bright down strum repeats too much. It’s maybe too bright, and it could be tamed a bit.
Then come interesting parts around 0.50. There’s some sort of mornings in the background. To me it sounds as if you’re describing how the ghosts of ancestors participate the life in an old country mansion.
The electric guitar comes in nicely. Soon after that brightness of acoustic guitars begins to bother me. As if it competes and tries to mask the electric guitar.
I like very much those rapid parts, for example 2.30.
Ghosts come back around 4.40. Now they are more scary.

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EsteveCorbera, Els Fruit De La Tardor
The start is great. It sounds to me like nature coming back to life in spring after winter. After this, the pads seem to tell about the unfurling growth of the plants. Nature begins to flourish.
This has a great down-to-earth vibe throughout. Overall, this composition feels to be like a precision tool that is made to tickle one special emotional area in mind.
Another alternative interpretation that came to my mind: The hot air balloon slowly rises from the ground to the heights. Until something happens and the ball starts to sink back down. Apparently no one was hurt.
I have a weak sense of synth sounds. I’m in a process where I try to learn how to make them and how to use them. So I have no expertise In that area. Usually, synth sounds feel foreign to me, but in this case I especially liked these sounds you have made.

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IkeHmope, Harvest Morning
(This is a copy-paste of my previous comment.)
Actually this song is very good. It's funny and simple, but musically it's not a joke at all. It's not easy to make simple songs with melody hooks that one can remember afterwards. This one really stuck to my brains. I have nothing to complain in melody lines, etc. So, when it comes to songwriting, I think you have done excellent job.

But when it comes to an arrangement, you could work more on that area or take the role of conductor. I'm pretty sure each instrument part on its own is fine as it is. But now when they're playing all together, it sounds like the Harvest Festival has hit midnight, and they're playing against each other.

Even though you have to pay for the whole band, that doesn't mean they all have to play at the same time. I would try to use the mute button and create separate areas where each instrument has its own place of dominance. If a horn has something nice to say in the background, don't cover it with other instruments. That way there would be more sonical variations, etc.

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KukoBass, Hope will grow
I really like those melody lines that you’ve created. What amazes me is it doesn’t bother me at all, that you stick to one instrument only to carry the message. The reason for this is probably the fact that melody line flows naturally, and it still contains in itself so different parts, that I don’t start to need for a new sound to carry the melody.
Those synths support nicely the melody.
Overall sound is a bit rough and crunchy and unfinished, but to me that’s probably the main reason I like it.
Very well done and exactly to my taste.

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MellowBrowne, NeoFunk
This is perhaps the most special creation of this competition. The job is always under control. The band plays well together, and each member knows its role. From this song glows strong artistic self-confidence. The groove is nicely restrained but extremely balanced and controlled.

The specialty of the sound is those out-of-tune feeling synths that sizzle metallically. They bother me a little. Somehow they are hard and cold. The groove itself is very smooth and minimal, so maybe that's also why I would like more softness in the overall sound. Now that metallic hiss somehow spreads, sticks and becomes part of the sound of other instruments as well.

So, as it is, that sound is a bit foreign to me. However, since the 1950s, the development of popular music has been based on the fact that the new generation creates something that the previous generation cannot understand. Perhaps these experiences of mine only prove that you are on the right track and know what you are doing. So I encourage you to follow your own instincts in this matter.


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PonySho, Growing Pains
You have proven to be very talented in what you do. Even if you do it quickly with your left hand, the result is extraordinary.

In this case you showed a bag full of interesting details and solutions to problems that that one wouldn’t even have to encounter if you’re in charge of the project. The groove is amazing and faultless all through the song. Transitions from part to another are great, etc. There’s not a detail that won’t work.

But oddly, what happened to me? I ended up listening to all those details and great changes, but in the end, I didn’t hear the song or feel human behind. I guess that’s a risk what might happen when you’re in hurry and you’re equipped with such an amazing multipurpose tool that you have.

So, my guess is: if you manage not to turn into ”AI music machine”, but instead let internal human growing pains be part of the music you make, soon you’ll hit the big time.


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ryanc, Law of the Harvest
(This is a copy-paste of my previous comment.)

You have a really beautiful and sympathetic song here. The melody line is absolutely top notch, and you sing it very sensitively. The guitar riff is absolutely perfect, simple but effective and supports the song. Very good potential to be this month's winner!

So, the songwriting part is superb, but I think you should do something to those drums. It feels like the drummer is playing without listening to the song. The drums don't have the same emotional sensitivity that you bring to this song. Is it too cold and he tries to warm himself by playing too loud? It's hard to tell what the problem is with a quick listening. Maybe if you could decrease the velocity levels a bit, it might give way to more sensitive drum sounds. Or is the problem in the groove of the drum. I'd definitely try some drum groove with ghost notes or something.


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ThomC, Stories of The Sky
This is interesting mixture of traditional country music and orchestral pop. I guess the one of first ones to do the same was Glen Campbell in 70’s. In his case he also added more complicated chord progressions. You have woven together more sort of old-time country melodies with orchestral elements.

I have listened quite much country and bluegrass music from 40’s to 70’s. I guess I was 12 years old when I bought Hank Williams’ yellow double album. It’s still one of the best albums I’ve heard. So, with that background, I think you surely know what you do. That is to say, I have nothing to guide you, but a lot to learn from you. Anyway, here’s some thoughts that came to my mind while listening to this song.

The guitar riff is just spot on.

I like the fact that intro presents the chorus indicatively. Overall this is well composed country song. Also other instruments know their exact places and roles.

I feel that verse goes well in its simplicity, or because of that. Orchestral elements go surprisingly well with traditional country accompaniment. Verse creates a looming tension that something is about to happen in chorus. Main issue for me with this song is that for some reason the chorus doesn’t deliver what I was expecting it to do. It’s missing the bonus zeal and energy that it needs to have after the verse. So, paradoxically, my disappointment was due to the fact that you had done your job so greatly from the intro to the beginning of chorus.

The orchestral instrumental ending was a big surprise to me. That orchestral feeling is a bit pompous after otherwise old time down to earth approach. I still don't know if it was a genius solution or a mood dropper. I guess I would have kept this as more traditional country.

I feel you’re have the needed talent, and you’re about to make something very interesting in your chosen path. Maybe this song was something you just had to do quickly away to give room and care for your forthcoming masterpiece.



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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC086 October 2024 - Submissions until 24-OCT-2024 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 16:16 CEST
by Ike H-mope
Mellow Browne wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:05 CEST

I just wanted to add that "modern" sound to it because I think sampling is a very "classical" thing in hip hop which has a retro/old school vibe. This is the thing I enjoy so much about neo Soul music, it's the blend between old and new, some beats are really timeless (like in other genres of course).
Sure, that all makes sense. I'm probably still traumatized that back in the day all I could afford was a Roland 505, which has that super-clean drum sound, when I really wanted an 808 or 909... :)

Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC086 October 2024 - Voting until 01-NOV-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 01:31 CEST
by Mellow Browne
What I learned this month:
- How to add more realism to Modo Bass by playing ghost notes and other useful key switches
- How to add more realism to MusicLab guitars and how to use key switches for a more sophisticated overall performance


First of all, everybody did a great job, only really good entries this month. The level is really high and it was a pleasure to listen to all entries. Keep doing what you guys are doing!

Here is my feedback:

Elcubano
Nice simple guitar track with a warm vibe that fits the theme very well.
That greek vibe lets me think of a glass of wine.
The guitar playing is well performed and I like the lush sound of the reverb and delay.
I like the transition to the dissonance at the end which underlines the death of the plant.
The only thing I can say is that I hear mostly B or D as root notes if I’m not mistaken, I would like to hear more variety in the root note or maybe inverted chords or something.
In sum, nice job.

PonySho
Your entry is very groovy and funky with a great musical story. You created some nice transitions to the various parts and you implemented both catchy and dissonant themes/phrases with ease. Another nice thing is the mix of modern synth sounds with (what is that style) disco funk(?) sound.
The only thing I think which could be improved is the mix, but I just listened to the song on my studio speakers so I can tell for other systems. It seems a bit soft and the mix (at least on Soundcloud) is a bit low in volume. I’m not sure if you did this on purpose but the shaker @ 02:19 is slightly before the grid. This gives me the impression your entry doesn’t sound finish.
You still did a good job overall.

Chasey24
Nice modern pop sound with a warm country/western touch. I like the instrumentation, the sound choice and your song structure and I must say you implemented the usage of Scaler in a very musical and natural way. I use it myself a lot and it's one of my best friends.
Nothing to complain, I think you did a great job!

crispy
That drum groove is really simple but so nice and effective, especially that open hi hat.
The sound selection is very good, I really like those strings and that flute, those elements are the most powerful with the most swagger. Johnny is really flexing here!
Even though your entry has definitely the energy I’m still missing something. It could be the mix itself, it sounds a bit thin. You obviously implemented enough elements and instruments to give it a nice sound stage, but somehow this is not what I hear on my speakers. The separation is there but I’m missing some low end and oomph on that kick and base line.
In sum, nice job.

EsteveCorbera
Very dreamy and calm atmosphere with relaxing sounds. Your entry is just pure positive energy with no signs of clouds and stormy weather, a constant sunbeam on a specific spot. And this positivity grows even more throughout the composition. Even though there is no groove section one can hear a constant pulse of all instruments playing together. You just have such a unique style of making what you do and you are getting better and better at it. Keep pushing! Good job!

OlliH
Great guitar fx intro and nice song structure. Your chord progression definitely reflects the sad life of a vegetable. I was not expecting something „miserable“, so this was really surprising.
The singing is a bit strange, but maybe this is exactly what is needed there, I’m not sure.
I think everything is just well performed and you dig a good job.
I think the mix could be improved a bit, i can hear the bass distorting a bit and some elements are fighting in the 200-500 Hz and 2-4 kHz region.

ryanc
First of all, you have great voice with a nice texture, and only a few minor notes are a little bit off. So, if no autotune was used I must say you have very good pitch balance.
I’m not a specialist in this genre, but it gives me a certain country/western vibe. Very friendly and warm chords with a nice song structure.
The mix is a bit on the weaker side, it’s not horrible or so, it works like it is. It just sounds a bit like a demo mix, or even raw version, just the clean recordings.
Even thouhg it’s a softer song I wish I could hear more punch from the drums and deeper sound stage from front to back (think of delay or reverb).
In sum, you did a really nice job.

Ike H-Mope
This is a very funny entry, another one that surprises me. Even though I’m not a fan of AI-voice and voice synthesizer in general you implemented it very clever by putting it in this retro composition. The structure is very simple and easy but it works really good. The instrumentation is good but I personally don’t like that mono sound stage.
Good job!

KukoBass
I don’t know why but this entry sounds more on the melancholic side of music, so I think the title „Hope Will Grow“ fits 100%. There is this mood change in the different sections, from serious and focused to a bit loose and sad in the „chorus“. The crows in the background underlines the „dark“ mood even more.
The instrumentation is good, the only thing I find a bit annoying is the melody string on the left side. It gets a bit loud at times.
I think the mix is ok. Good job!

ThomC
Wow, this is really good, I like this. This sounds absolutely professional. Everything just fits perfectly together, an amazing overall performance and a nice song structure. And it fits the theme very well! The instrumentation, the groove, the vibe, very catchy.
I like the tone in your voice which I find very remarkable, you have a lot of character behind the mic. One of the best entries I've heard so far in this community! This is so inspiring. To be precise, your entry is in my top 2 entry ever!
Your mix goes definitely in the right direction and is already pretty solid together, it's like you said, it just needs some minor detail work but I'm sure this song is a banger!
Outstanding job!


Bonus entry:
R0boooo
Too bad you uploaded it so late. This is my absolute favourite entry ever in this community tbh, and even though lots of entries were pretty strong and on a very high level this month.
This is absolutely amazing and music I really enjoy. This is so inspiring, so professional, I don’t know what to say.
Everything is just so smooth, the instrumentation, the chords, the whistling, the percussion, the bass, the story telling. Wow!
The only negative thing I can say is maybe the mix/master, I think it could sound a little bit more open in the top end, it seems to be a bit on the darker side, at least on my speakers here. But we’re talking only about maybe 1 db of high shelf boost @ 4-5 kHz, still your entry sounds balanced, strong and very professional. I like the subtle low end and the sound stage.
I think you did an outstanding job! Bravo. Is it possible to download this song? Would love to learn from this masterpiece and analyse in detail what you've done there musically and how you implemented the instruments so smooth, this really blows my mind :hail:

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