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SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC091 March 2025 - results in preparation

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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC091 March 2025 - Voting until 01-APR-2025 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

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Here is a top 1 to 5.
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Here is an evaluation:
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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC091 March 2025 - Voting until 01-APR-2025 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

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A song is a musical composition performed by the human voice. The voice often carries the melody (a series of distinct and fixed pitches) using patterns of sound and silence. Songs have a structure to them, such as the common ABA form, and are usually made of sections that are repeated or performed with variation later. (wikipedia.org)

So I voted for every item 0-5 points to help me judging:
And this is my feedback, too. Because I'm not familiar with all these modern EDM sounds.
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and so my vote is:
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my little thought about this experience (personal feedback):

I think I have a very open attitude to all forms of music creation. And I'm very curious to hear new thoughts and ideas about creating tones, sounds and rhythms.
Maybe I haven't looked closely enough at the songwriting competition. I understand “song” as one of many forms of music creation. This form has existed for hundreds of years in folk music in many different countries, in classical music, especially romantic music, right up to modern pop songs. (There are also many other ways of putting music into a form, there are no limits for composers today).
Perhaps this competition should be renamed the composition competition so that I can categorize the many entries.
I also didn't realize how important the production process, arrangement and performance are in this competition. It's nice to have the song presented in an exciting and audible form, but that's a different focus from my point of view. And yes, there are many different tastes, which all have their justification and are an important part of an evaluation.
I would have liked to see an exchange about the musical content that makes up a song. In addition to the given harmonies, these are the melody and the lyrics. In newer forms of pop song, we can also talk about sounds and hooks. Other criteria can be interesting and perhaps also contribute to the evaluation, but in my view they are not a question of songwriting.
I'm probably very much alone in this forum with this view of things and I don't want to devalue the wonderful creative work that is produced here. It just doesn't correspond to what I expected.

Thank You!
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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC091 March 2025 - Voting until 01-APR-2025 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

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Hello,
1. Votes for TOP 5:
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2. The feedback:
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3. What I learned:
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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC091 March 2025 - Voting until 01-APR-2025 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC091 March 2025 - Submissions until 24-MAR-2025 23:59 UTC+1/CET

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Post by alphageeks »

ThomC wrote:
Mon Mar 24, 2025 23:55 CET
Hey everyone!

Here's my track for this challenge. This time, I went for a short cinematic track in the spirit of the movie companies intros. The chord progression inspired me to go in that direction very naturally (hence the name). It's kind of a tribute to some of the great childhood memories I have of going to the cinema with my family. I hope you'll enjoy it! :)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WOoXT8 ... rive_link

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It's like a grand movie score. Fantastic. Immersive.
I felt so happy to be able to listen to such an excellent piece of work.
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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC091 March 2025 - Voting until 01-APR-2025 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

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Post by alphageeks »

1) The TOP 5 votes, ordered from highest to lowest:
2) The feedback to fellow musicians:

ThomC
"Another Night At The Movies"

It's such a great piece that I feel it would be a shame for me to evaluate it.
I'm embarrassed to have participated in the same contest.

Strange
"I rise"

I like this song that I want to have playing calmly in my everyday life.

Chasey24
"The Offer"

The immersive guitar sounds like something from a movie.
You'll lose track of time while listening to this.

Mellow Browne
"What The Funk"

The sound of the lead pluck is impressive.
I think the dry drum sounds really bring out the song.
With the addition of organ and brass, it's a really mellow and lovely song.

EatMe
"En Route Sur San Jose"

With its trance arrangement and summery atmosphere, I enjoyed this magical arrangement in which so many different answers can occur under the specified chord conditions.

3) The personal reflection:

As expected, if your English is weak, you have to rely on translation tools, which makes the process complicated.
Also, the more conditions imposed at the start and end, the more you worry about them, and the less you can concentrate on making music.
In other words, it was not a place I should have participated in.
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SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC091 March 2025 - Voting until 01-APR-2025 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

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alphageeks wrote:
Wed Mar 26, 2025 04:33 CET
In other words, it was not a place I should have participated in.
I would say "on the contrary" (as in: the other way around). You stepped out of your comfort zone, made music and work on/with a language you are not as used to. In my humble opinion, that's the best way to improve things.

The more you participate, the better you understand how our monthly games work.
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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC091 March 2025 - Voting until 01-APR-2025 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

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alphageeks wrote:
Wed Mar 26, 2025 04:33 CET
In other words, it was not a place I should have participated in.
Please reconsider! I would love to hear more tracks from you in the future, and I think I'm not the only one!
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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC091 March 2025 - Voting until 01-APR-2025 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

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Post by ThomC »

alphageeks wrote:
Wed Mar 26, 2025 04:33 CET

ThomC
"Another Night At The Movies"

It's such a great piece that I feel it would be a shame for me to evaluate it.
I'm embarrassed to have participated in the same contest

[...]

In other words, it was not a place I should have participated in.
Hey @alphageeks !

First off, thank you so much for your very generous words towards my piece. You see, we're always our worst enemy when it comes to these things, because when I listen to it, I hear all the little details I should have taken the time to fine tune.

You definitely have your place here, I enjoyed listening to your track too and this is definitely the right place if you want to improve, ask for tips, experiment and just have fun!

The rules can seem overwhelming at first, but some of the things that are in it are common sense and when it comes to the rest, it's not the end of the world if you mess up. You can always improve and do better on the next challenge.

Regarding the English language, your translation is very good. If you type your text in your native language on chatgpt for example and then copy and paste it here, it can be pretty quick :)

Thanks again for your words and don't be too hard on yourself, you did very well and the judging process is very subjective, but here's a great place to train our ear to different views on how to interpret a particular emotion, story... Chord progression :)

I'm really hoping to see you on the next one and to have fun taking part in this once again! Have a great day :)
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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC091 March 2025 - Voting until 01-APR-2025 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

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Post by Mellow Browne »

Hi,
I had hopes to hear some variations of the provided chord progression, unfortunately almost everybody used the original one with no added twists, inversions, or maybe implementing some different chords. Please, don’t take my feedback as an insult, I know, not everybody has enough knowledge about music theory and I personally still need to learn a lot of things as well. But just using the original progression would be the lazy way to me. This is why I finished my entry so late, like almost every SWC I participate. I had huge problems to motivate myself for this one because the chord progression just didn’t resonated with me.

It’s also a matter of taste and mostly understanding of specific terms because some said my entry needed more melody. I rather have no melody or just ear candy in my production (especially when I’m making urban music like hip hop/neo soul etc.) than using a gap filler, place holder, or added layer with no sophisticated motif or memorable and engaging performance which doesn’t add anything to what is already there. This way I can leave space for the chords and the listener, so that he can imagine his own in his head. Also, this way I leave creative space for a potential singer on top, I don’t won’t to dictate what he is going to sing, except I already wrote a „melody“ and built the chords around it.
And in general, hip hop/neo soul is not really created from a melody (think of Wu-Tang, Gangstarr or general sample beats), it is the groove and vibe which creates the beat and the mood (minor 9 chords are very common).

Imo chords are much more important than melodies, but that’s mainly because of my hip hop background I think.
Just because you have some sustained notes with no gaps and pauses between and no dynamics/articulation or other twists in your production which are in key with the rest doesn’t transform it into a melody. I hope you guys understand what I want to say with this.

What I heard in most productions is nothing else than I did, just simple ear candy with no clear motif or layout that you would sing.
Songs like Billie Jean, We Are The World and We Are The Champions etc. have memorable melodies which built the main chorus and create earworms. I just wanted to point that out for a better understanding of what I consider as a melody.

And to be honest, I was very surprised (and a bit shocked) with the fact that some would love to hear lyrics on top. What I created is miles away from a „real“ hip hop beat/production. I don’t see myself or anyone rapping to this type/style of production. This is just background music with a similar character as lofi beats, just with polished and clean sounds. Heck, what I produced is not even a beat you would want to freestyle. On the other hand, I imagine a r&b singer would fit, because of the slow tempo.
I would recommend you to dive deeper into hip hop and urban music in general to get a better feeling on how to separate the different niches and styles if you find the time and have interest, of course.

Also, I didn’t give any feedback about technical stuff, mix/master etc. because all entries have a good and clean sound.
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Good luck to all and thanks for the feedback!
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