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SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC085 September 2024 - preparation phase

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 00:56 CEST
by Mister Fox
It is the 25th September 2024, 00:50 UTC+2/CEST - this month's Songwriting Competition has official ended


STATISTICS:
  • If I didn't miscount, we have 9 submissions this month (0 entries more/less than last month, and also 2 entries more than September 2023)
  • We have 0 submission after the deadline (as of 25-SEP-2024 00:50 UTC+2/CEST)
  • We have 0 submissions that has been disqualified (production released outside of the game's timeframe)
  • We have 1 submission that has been withdrawn (therefore it can't count to the overall participation)
  • The "staff balancing vote" add-on rule does not apply (special game mechanics do apply)
  • "Sole Winners Podium" rule (equal or less than eight participants results in a single winner) does not apply (3-position Winners Podium)


:arrow_right: How do we go from there?

Over the course of the next (hopefully) 24-48 hours (usually up to 6-12 hours maximum after the game has ended), I'll gather all links into one post and hot-link to that from the first post of the thread. Please, no more changes to your entries, but please do check your links that these entries are accessible and downloadable. We then perform with the final feedback and "public vote" system.


We have 9 official participants. We are adapting the overhauled vote mechanic, as talked about in the following news blog:

Songwriting Competition - game mechanic changes: Voting Process (October 2022 Update)
(Info: I am aware that the Rule Book has not been properly updated yet. Time constraints, apologies for the inconvenience)


Summarized:
 ! Bonus Info
  • Participants can (and must) vote for their Top 5 entries (tiered mechanic).
  • You're furthermore asked to please reflect on your experience this month (2-3 paragraphs max), what you have learned, what you would like to do different in the future, etc. (personal growth)
  • You are also asked to give feedback to at least five (number: 5) entries (tiered mechanic) -- things that stood out to you, providing some final thoughts and constructive feedback for possible improvements. This adds to the learning experience of our community. It is recommended that these entries are outside of your personal "top entry" voting.
  • Have the chance to get additional bonus points if you decide to invest the time to provide more constructive feedback than the requested minimum. It must be more than just "nice production, please keep up the good work" however. This is to boost more interaction and can balance out your overall points on the score sheet. (get 1 point if you give constructive feedback to 1-2 more participant, get 2 points if you give helpful feedback for everyone)
  • The "Voting Process" mechanic is mandatory for all participants, and the only criteria to drop out of the game by not partaking. Please don't just collect feedback, and not give back to the community.
  • The overall "Bonus Point" mechanic still applies. Please update your posts with proper production documentation, most notably regarding whom you have collaborated with (as in: proper credits -- not doing so will result in a 2pt deduction on the score sheet at the end of the game). Please also make your entries downloadable, or provide an additional download link if not existing already. You got until the voting period has ended. (please: no changes to the arrangement anymore)
Please cast your vote (not the feedback) in collective form through the "spoiler text" bbcode (button on the WYSIWYG editor that features the orange triangle with an exclamation mark in it). Please use the forum username of the participant to make it easier during the score collection to address what vote belongs to whom.
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 ⚠ Moderation Message from Mister Fox  
For transparency:

The staff (Mister Fox) will not give feedback to all entries and/or cast a vote this month.

(unless there is a tie that can not be broken otherwise)

Feedback from non-participants and/or collaborators is highly encouraged (voting not needed!). The same goes for entries after the deadline, or those that sadly do not count for the current running game (even if you've exceeded the deadline, why not post your entry regardless?). Musicians and Engineers are always after constructive criticism. This is what this forum is about.





Have some general feedback? Please provide that here:
Songwriting Competition - General Gossip Thread, or on Discord.



Please make sure your files are accessible, and please have an eye on this thread! :tu:




EDIT: 25-SEP-2024 00:55 - initial post
EDIT: 26-SEP-2024 07:55 - updated info on withdrawn entries

SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC085 September 2024 - Voting until 01-OCT-2024 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 03:24 CEST
by Mister Fox
Let us kick off the VOTING PROCESS, which will end on Tuesday, 01-OCT-2024 23:59 UTC+2/CEST latest


There is a GLOBAL COUNTDOWN to check for deadlines.
Just follow this link: Global Countdown (on homepage)


Here is the collection of productions from all participants (in hope that I didn't forget anyone). As usual, if you click on the small upwards-arrow right beside the quoted name, you can jump to the original post and read up on the documentation for this production.


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burakxmusic wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 06:10 CEST
"Echoes In The Night"

WAV: Google Drive playback and download
TrojakEW wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2024 17:14 CEST
"Mind Prison"

APi_ZZ wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 14:13 CEST
"Conciliation"

Dasein wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2024 03:11 CEST
"Black Sunset" (updated)

Elcubano wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2024 17:09 CEST
"Distress"

EsteveCorbera wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2024 19:28 CEST
" Al Tornar De La Feina"

PonySho wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2024 21:12 CEST
"Little Blue Ships"

Koekepan wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2024 18:27 CEST
"Misguided Meditations"

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(plays the WAV version!)

WAV: Catbox playback and download
ZIP: Catbox ZIP download

ADMIN INFO: Due to the way "Catbox" works, the uploaded file is being renamed and the original name is not being retained. I kindly asked Koekepan to upload a ZIP version as well (which includes the WAV with the original filename).
OlliH wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2024 22:50 CEST
"Tämmönen"

WAV: Google Drive playback and download
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WITHDRAWN (not participating - feel free to give feedback, but you sadly can not vote for these entries)


<no withdrawn entries>
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BONUS ENTRIES (submitted after the deadline - feel free to give feedback, but you sadly can not vote for these entries)


<no bonus entries>
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:arrow_right: GAME MECHANIC SUMMARY:
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Good luck to all participants! :tu:




If you have an idea for a future Songwriting Competition, please post about this in the theme/genre request page or on Discord.


Post updated: 25-SEP-2024 3:20 UTC+2/CEST -- initial post

Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC085 September 2024 - Voting until 01-OCT-2024 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 13:29 CEST
by OlliH
During this competition i noticed that previously learned skills perish quite quickly during longer breaks. I found it difficult to solve some issues into which i wouldn’t have fallen before the break. Also it was more difficult to find creative ideas, as mind started to resort too easily to older obvious solutions. So, if you want to become better in music, just keep on doing it.


About comments: I didn’t read explanations or other comments so that comments were based on only music that I hear.

burakxmusic, Echoes Of The Night
Nice and promising intro, it gives me a great expectations of what is about to come. You have everything needed for the great song there, even a great singer.
But to my surprise despite the fact that you had all the ingredients for a great song present in the intro, the main song never starts. Somehow it stays in the reduced mode telling the listener: ”just wait, it’s about to start”.
One solution could have been if you introduced a stronger and fuller bass after the 47 seconds long intro. Maybe also some melodic development would have been nice. Now it consists only of A-part and it’s variation. There’s no B-part let alone C-part
On the other hand: maybe echoes of the night are like this. They are luring you to think that something is about to happen.


Dasein, Black Sunset
Cool hypnotic theme, interesting chord progression. Nice sounding guitar-like instrument. But I was waiting all the time the main melody to start with words like: ”hello darkness my old friend…” Or it could have been some kind of flute take the focus. My main point being: you have a very nice track that could be a perfect support to some melody line or singing. But alone it just seems to be saying ”I’m ready to support you, please join me”

Elcubano, Distres
Great guitar lines in the intro. Nice surprise when those heavy guitars come in. I wasn’t expecting that.
Main melody line could be a bit more bold. Now it feels that vocal track is muted and we are hearing some sort of supportive melody that would create a nice contrapunkt for the vocals.
But as this is already so good, my mind starts to think how to mix it. I guess the main issue to be solved is the sonic interaction between bass and guitars. I might try for example use the bass in mono so that attack frequencies (700-900?) were in the center, and then cut off that area from the guitars on the sides. And vice versa: cut from the bass those areas where guitars needs to blossom (150-300?)

EsteveCorbera, Al Tornar De La Feina
Very Nice instrument sounds that you have woven together. You surely have developed a strong skills and vision in that area. As you have not added any melody line that would try to grab the attention, this would be a perfect track for some science documentary where some davidattenborough’s speak would take the prominent role. Or maybe this could be music to some meditation stuff. Why not try to hit the big time by selling your sonic services to Joe Dispenza’s meditation sessions.
In short this feels to me to be one cohesive track on its own.

Koekepan
I like that arpeggio theme and sonic landscape that you have created with only a couple of instruments. Well done. I had problems to hear what the man in the middle is saying. So quite quickly the speech turned to be some sort of instrument with preset name ”alanwattsian comeback”.
But to my surprise the main instrument to me in this track is the bass. It nicely gives room to other instruments to say their thing but still it has the command position in the track. The bass feels to be some sort of moderator who keeps everything strongly in its place.

PonySho, Little Blue Ships
Very nice. I like the fact that you use very sparse instrumentation. Then each instrument has an important role and must be thought more carefully. Sometimes i try to follow a rule I invented for myself ”add only those instruments that are absolutely needed, and then take a one away.” Well, i seldom succeed in doing that, but you surely have a mastery on that area.
As if I’m hearing strong Beatles influence especially in the background melody lines. II like the way the background melody first fills the holes and then grabs the main focus. And also, it feels to me that you have listened and studied Eels. At least the mood and attitude feels the same.
You very nicely guide the listener where to direct the focus. The focus place changes smoothly from one place to another and I never feel lost. But is the focus point jumping too quickly? Is the mastery of arrangement hiding the message of the song? For, when the song has ended i don’t remember what you were saying. I was listening the music part. I remember only how skillfully those musical changes were made. (But it may be that the whole problem lies in my diminishing memory capacities, not in your song)

TrojakEW, MindPrison
As i know some of your submissions from previous contests, you have huge talent for music. So it created big expectations for me. Your track starts with phenomenal sounds, and I find myself thinking: ”ok, here’s the winner”. But quite soon after that the track starts to feel as a quick demo for a client to show the direction to which you would go if you were chosen for the project. (And it fulfils that task perfectly.) So the intro is absolutely great, but the moment the actual song is about to start you just fade out. From that point of view it’s difficult to evaluate this correctly. Sorry if I’m using harder criteria for you than to others.

APi_ZZ, Consiliation
Nice harmonies in those choir parts. I like the way one note at a time changes chord smoothly to another, while the rest of notes remains the same. The flute has a nice place to be the carrier of focus point. But id love to hear more memorable melody lines. Now those flute lines feel like rudimentary riffs, like melody placeholders that are to be developed later to finished melody lines.
Also, you should probably give some resting moments for the choir before they start to faint. Now they are doing constantly very long notes without possibility to breath in. And to hold better the attention of the listener it would be nice to have some different moments.


VOTES
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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC085 September 2024 - Voting until 01-OCT-2024 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 03:35 CEST
by PonySho
Mr Fox...not meaning to nit-pic but I believe Pauila has withdrawn their entry.

Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC085 September 2024 - Voting until 01-OCT-2024 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 03:49 CEST
by PonySho
Thanks to everybody for their contributions. I really love to hear fresh, new music. The angles of inspiration that come from each of you is musically very colourful. I find it continually fascinating how musicians can interpret a simple brief so differently into a full composition. I enjoyed listening and commenting on your music. Kudos to you all :tu:

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SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC085 September 2024 - Voting until 01-OCT-2024 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 07:55 CEST
by Mister Fox
PonySho wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2024 03:35 CEST
Mr Fox...not meaning to nit-pic but I believe Pauila has withdrawn their entry.
I can add that info to the statistics, but it won't change the fact that there are 9 entries, and no bonus entry.

I unfortunately didn't even have a chance to listen to the entry. I hoped for a re-release, even during "overtime". Shame, but maybe we'll hear more in the next game.

Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC085 September 2024 - Voting until 01-OCT-2024 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 08:53 CEST
by TrojakEW
@OlliH @PonySho you are both right and thanks for comment. My idea was actually create a simple theme without going too far. The fact that for both of you it had same effect that it sound like like just demo means I have done it correctly. The theme and way I tried to do had to be this way. It was mean as lament that does not tell you everything and usually you get almost nothing out of it. It is silent scream that nobody hear because you are worried to tell anything to anyone. So there is no answer to your lament and it means no end or solution to your problems, that i wanted to paint by the composition that does not really evolve or change much. This is what I get from my own experience of being depressed for years. Now when I'm free of the illness it is quite easy to speak about it.

Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC085 September 2024 - Voting until 01-OCT-2024 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:49 CEST
by PonySho
TrojakEW wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2024 08:53 CEST
@OlliH @PonySho you are both right and thanks for comment. My idea was actually create a simple theme without going too far. The fact that for both of you it had same effect that it sound like like just demo means I have done it correctly. The theme and way I tried to do had to be this way. It was mean as lament that does not tell you everything and usually you get almost nothing out of it. It is silent scream that nobody hear because you are worried to tell anything to anyone. So there is no answer to your lament and it means no end or solution to your problems, that i wanted to paint by the composition that does not really evolve or change much. This is what I get from my own experience of being depressed for years. Now when I'm free of the illness it is quite easy to speak about it.
Hi TrojakEW. Sorry to hear that you've suffered from depression over the years. It's a terrible affliction, not easily solved. The main takeaway from your track is that I was enjoying it and simply felt disappointed when it finished. A bit like enjoying a piece of cake then having somebody steal it away half way through! I think you have a great talent - keep it up! :tu:

Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC085 September 2024 - Voting until 01-OCT-2024 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 22:09 CEST
by Koekepan
Time for judgement. Here follow my comments and general tiering.
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Here is my ranking of the top 5.
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Here is my commentary on personal growth and development.
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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC085 September 2024 - Voting until 01-OCT-2024 23:59 UTC+2/CEST

Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2024 08:29 CEST
by Koekepan
Koekepan: Misguided Meditations
First off, I love the originality of this track. The distorted narrative under the music. The music is simple with minimal elements, which I think is perfect as a complex arrangement that could be distracting from the vocal narrative. I liked the distortion and lower level of the narrative because you forced me to listen hard to hear what was being said. However, I found the narrative to be excessively academic in the way that much of it made little sense to me (I read through the lyrics in your original post). It almost seemed like the text was generated by AI or taken straight from a psychologist's reference text. (BTW, I'm not accusing you of using GenAI). I thought the track was a bit long at almost 5 minutes duration. This is perhaps the most unique track submitted for this competition. Also, it was cool to see your gear setup - thanks for sharing an insight into your workflow.
Thank you!

I should clarify that the lyrics were effectively a pastiche of jungian psychoanalytic jargon (just as well since most of Jung is obsolete) and in no way adheres to Jung's real views, so much as what some of his would-be followers take from his writings. I'm not a jungian anyway (nor a neo-jungian) but I did study psychology, so I drew on that content for the purposes of these vocals.