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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC087 November 2024 - Voting until 01-DEC-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 22:40 CET
by OlliH
Paramnesia wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 05:36 CET
I felt the vocals didn't quite suit the rest of the music both in performance and mix
You're absolutely right, and I know very well that I can't sing. But I like making songs, and I need to somehow show to a potential singer how the melody goes. So I'm trying to make a "placeholder"-track for the singer that's not really meant to be in the finished product. If this were a "music production" competition, I definitely wouldn't include my voice. But as this is a "songwriting" competition, maybe I'm a little naive in thinking that I'm participating only with the melody, but not with my voice. (For the same reason, I very rarely comment on mixing-related matters.) Nevertheless, lately my voice has turned into such a miserable rasp that I've honestly considered participating in the future only if I'm in the mood to make an instrumental.

Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC087 November 2024 - Voting until 01-DEC-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 23:50 CET
by PonySho
OlliH wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 22:40 CET
Paramnesia wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 05:36 CET
I felt the vocals didn't quite suit the rest of the music both in performance and mix
You're absolutely right, and I know very well that I can't sing. But I like making songs, and I need to somehow show to a potential singer how the melody goes. So I'm trying to make a "placeholder"-track for the singer that's not really meant to be in the finished product. If this were a "music production" competition, I definitely wouldn't include my voice. But as this is a "songwriting" competition, maybe I'm a little naive in thinking that I'm participating only with the melody, but not with my voice. (For the same reason, I very rarely comment on mixing-related matters.) Nevertheless, lately my voice has turned into such a miserable rasp that I've honestly considered participating in the future only if I'm in the mood to make an instrumental.
@OlliH if you need a singer for your next challenge, I'd be happy do a collab with you and sing on one of your songs...that's assuming my vocal style fits your song.

Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC087 November 2024 - Voting until 01-DEC-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 09:19 CET
by OlliH
PonySho wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 23:50 CET
@OlliH if you need a singer for your next challenge, I'd be happy do a collab with you and sing on one of your songs...that's assuming my vocal style fits your song.
That's a very attractive and interesting offer, but there's one big problem: it would prevent you from participating with your own work in the same month, and I don't want that to happen.

Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC087 November 2024 - Voting until 01-DEC-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 09:52 CET
by Elcubano
This month, I've been testing the Modo Bass 2 plugin. It was a bit challenging to mix with guitar at first, but when used properly, I think it can sound very natural.
I also had fun experimenting with synth plugins like the Prophet, which is quite enjoyable to use, though it tends to generate a lot of bass.
For the saturated part, I didn’t aim for a typical metal riff. Instead, I focused on creating an ambient vibe with a layer of chords—modern metal-style chords on a 7-string guitar, avoiding power chords.
I used the same chord progression for both sections, with the lead introducing a key change in the second part. The guitar tone gives the impression of high gain, but there’s actually very little.
The tight grain of the saturation likely contributes to this impression, along with the use of low and high-cut filters. The goal was to achieve a saturated sound that isn’t too aggressive, and I think it worked well.
To replace vocals, I improvised a one-shot solo. I didn’t compose it intentionally, aiming for a more spontaneous feel, though the execution is far from perfect.

My feedback:
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my vote:
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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC087 November 2024 - Voting until 01-DEC-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:41 CET
by PonySho
OlliH wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2024 09:19 CET
PonySho wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 23:50 CET
@OlliH if you need a singer for your next challenge, I'd be happy do a collab with you and sing on one of your songs...that's assuming my vocal style fits your song.
That's a very attractive and interesting offer, but there's one big problem: it would prevent you from participating with your own work in the same month, and I don't want that to happen.
Well, I don't really care about not submitting a song - as long as I'm making music, I'm happy. The offer is there if you want it :smile:

Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC087 November 2024 - Voting until 01-DEC-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:44 CET
by PonySho
My Reflection

This month, my goal was just to write an indie rock/pop song. It's a style that I enjoy writing in, in all its variations. I like this style because it sounds less polished then modern pop, and to my ear, gives a more organic and energised vibe. However, I have still used a radio friendly structure because it has proved successful over decades for many/most listeners. For me, songwriting is mostly about drawing the listener in with a catchy melody.
I ended up writing three song-sketches for this challenge (my def. of a song-sketch is rough melody, structure and lyric combination). I had intended to sit this challenge out but I just can't help myself. Ideas flow, in the shower, driving to work, walking down the street. It's quite cathartic to get them - or at least one of them - out of my system.
One mix challenge member suggested that there was hidden inuendo in my lyrics. That's funny to me because I almost always weave this into my lyrics/story but this time there was none. Perhaps I'm working on autopilot without realising! Hah! This song had no hidden meanings in the lyrics and really was just a simple idea about a guy who was pinned to his 9-5 and couldn't spend time with the girl he liked, so he wrote her letters. And I wanted to use all stringed instruments, barring drums and vocals. That's it.
Another valid comment was about the chord progression being hard to decipher although the progressions flowed smoothly. The reason for this is most likely due to three reasons. Firstly, the songwriting process, where I focus on the melody and use chords as a way to support the melody. Secondly, my use of 'slash' chords where the bass is a different note to the chord's root note. Thirdly, sometimes I just try to create slightly odd progressions under the melody.
What did I learn for this challenge? I need to slow down at the mixing stage and not do it late at night. I mixed and uploaded this song in a hurry and after listening the next day, it made me suffer! So I had to remix it which put me under time pressure with other stuff I'm working on.
Anyway, I'm happy with the outcome and hope others enjoyed listening.
Next challenge, I'll write something more gentle, perhaps the in the style of Johnny Cash or Jeff Buckley. This will be another challenge as this is outside my sphere of experience.

Feedback
Again, this month has a smorgasbord of vibes and flavours. Such wonderful interpretations of such a simple brief. Thanks everyone. My feedback will focus on the songwriting and only touch on the mixing if I feel that the mix has in someway negatively or positively affected the delivery of the song. Please accept my apologies in advance if I offend with any of my comments - it's definitely not intended. It's just my opinion and opinions are a dime a dozen!
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Voting
It wasn't easy this month. There were three songs that I wanted to select as my number one.
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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC087 November 2024 - Voting until 01-DEC-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 00:22 CET
by EsteveCorbera
Good night,

As always, thank you all for participating and thank you Mister Fox for organizing this competition.
Thanks to everyone for the comments and votes you have given me so far.

First, congratulations to all of you for these good songs you have presented this month.
It is interesting to see how many of you have gone towards using heavy guitars. And a lot of noise!!
On a personal level, I have learned not to use guitars. One of my colleagues said it very well: It seems that the guitar is played with a piano, and that, deep down, is totally true. My intention is that next November I will use guitars a little more appropriately.

Thank you.

I leave you comments on your works:

A Future In Noise - SantaClause
Good song. Good treatment of the initial guitars. And very good vocal interpretation and the treatment you do by doubling the voices is also interesting. But perhaps there are times when these vocal changes distract attention from the song. I like the orchestral instruments you put in the background as accompaniment, they go really well.
A song that goes really well with this month's proposal.

Elcubano – Storm's Solace
Good guitar playing. It has a lot of strength. Maybe because I'm too noisy, I like the quiet parts more when the piano plays. But it's a good piece of work. It's a good piece of work, that's why it's hard for me to tell you something to improve. Maybe the kick that accompanies the first guitars sounds too present. In the other parts I don't think so, there it sounds more natural, that it's part of the song.

R0boooo - Gotta Go but 1st
Ommadawn by Mike Oldfield immediately came to mind. Then it changes style a bit, which I wouldn't know how to classify, but it's interesting. As I listen to it I find it very original, very different. It creates a strange feeling, not a bad one. The voices you put at the beginning and end I think are not very integrated into the song. And the percussion could perhaps have a little more reverberation. The vocal effects such as breathing are also very curious. Bravo, a very different and original proposal, I liked it.

PonySho - Stringy
I admire these songs where you twist all the real instruments. I would be incapable of it. It would be impossible for me, because I neither have real instruments nor do I have the means to record them, nor would I know how to sing. Therefore, I admire you for this initiative. As you say, it is a very energetic song. Maybe this is where I could tell you that it would have been good to put some quieter part to give the listener a break.

mouse the singer - Strings Attached
I also congratulate you for taking the initiative to sing your song. I wouldn't do it as well as you. Your song has a promising beginning. But when the voice enters, I find it too distant or muted. I think it lacks presence in the mix. I also hear a strange sound, like a kind of distorted delay, I don't know how to describe it better.

VCA-089 - TwilightForest
Sound that reminds me of the 80s, as you very well say. Good sound proposal, very well worked on, as always. But this time I had a hard time connecting with your song. I have a feeling of sound saturation, there are moments that sound many layers. I'm not saying it's badly done, but to me it feels like too many things at once. But don't worry, it's just my opinion.

Paramnesia - OccamsKrz
What power. When things get lively, they almost never stop. Good guitar playing (I guess, I don't understand it). But I have to tell you that I'm not used to hearing this type of music. For me there's too much noise. I need more quiet parts to be able to enjoy your song (it's just a personal opinion, I'm not an expert, so don't pay too much attention to me).
In terms of mixing, I think everything is too compressed, too loud. But I guess that's how it has to be in this type of music.
Personally, I would also add a little reverb to the drums to make them a little distant and integrated into the mix.

OlliH - OldVinyl
You always make nice suggestions. Just starting your song puts a smile on my face. This is an original proposal of Western and Rockabilly. Very enjoyable. There are few things I can say to improve, since you surpass me at least 3 times in experience.
I don't think you sing badly at all. But maybe I think so because I've heard you do it many times. Good work

Ike_H-mope – Waiting in the Yard
A different suggestion. I don't think I'm ready to comment on your song correctly.
For me, there are vocal parts that are not in scale and the sound of the guitars also seems dissonant. But, as I told you, I guess it's me who doesn't know and doesn't know enough music to appreciate it.
You have to forgive me.


(translated with google, sorry for the imperfections that the translation may contain)
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Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC087 November 2024 - Voting until 01-DEC-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 01:39 CET
by mouse the singer
Hello, thanks to Mister Fox for putting on this contest. what a fun idea.

it has been great to spend some time with all of your songs and thank you all for the kind words and helpful feedback.

i did absolutely learn that if i do another singing song that i need more time with it. that could lead to the singing being more confidant and dynamic. (which might also keep me from trying to bury it in efx)

here go me thoughts:
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here are my rankings:
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thanks

Re: SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC087 November 2024 - Voting until 01-DEC-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 01:47 CET
by mouse the singer
PonySho wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:44 CET

Mouse the Singer - Strings Attached
This song has a moody vibe that I really like. There's a nice tension that's created at the start, which resolves at 0.24 with the gently guitar arpeggio and vocals.
The progression is smooth and I like how the song builds with the strings that are gently introduced. At 2.06 the rhythm variation gives an appealing contrast.
Which artist, if any, was your inspiration for this song? Well done, BTW.
Thank you! Nothing was present in my mind when i started writing it, other then wanting to try to come up with the vocal melody on piano to match the lyrics. the rest of the song relied on my comfort places musically... so as referenced by Elcubano, radiohead and pink floyd... yes.
though i have been listening to maria bc quite a bit recently.

SONGWRITING COMPETITION - SWC087 November 2024 - Voting until 01-DEC-2024 23:59 UTC+1/CET

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 01:58 CET
by Mister Fox
I would kindly like to ask @R0boooo to please stick to the established Rules and Guidelines for the feedback process.

There is currently no vote available. Please edit your post until the deadline has been reached.
I really do not want to place anyone out of the game.

Thank you.